Cave, v428

Bug report by Okom1

Date: 26 Nov, 2024

Feedback notes: -

Detected mode support: King of The Hill, Stockpile

Map link: Cave

Priority 1 = Must fix:
Exploits, gameplay stalling issues and non-standard functionality.

Priority 2 = Should fix:
Recommendations, major visual issues and balance issues.

Priority 3 = Suggestion:
Inconsistencies, minor visual issues and optimization tips.

Positional values are described in the order: X, Y, Z.

Object references are described like so: Object name.

0. Layout

Unintended hiding spots present on the map:

Position: -40, 167, 898 Full map break
Position: -76, 51, 889
Position: 40, -116, 782
Position: -13, -110, 779

Prevent access to the listed hiding spots.

Some Kill Volumes are positioned in a way that results in an unexpected death:

Kill Volume 2 too high where players falling off the map can not use the Grappleshot quick enough to grapple back into the map. Suggested repositioning: Z: 690

Reposition the Kill Volumes to prevent the listed issues from occurring.

1. Spawning

Only 34 Respawn Points present on the map, which can easily lead to predictable spawns.

Add a sufficient amount of Respawn Points on the map to give more varying locations for respawns.
Recommended amount of Respawn Points per player count:

2v2: 40-70
4v4: 50-100
8v8: 80-110
12v12: 120-150

Some Spawn Points are positioned in a way where the player will not have enough time to react to something happening shortly after spawning on them:

Spawn Point [Respawn] 2 Player runs into a wall
Spawn Point [Respawn] 15 Player runs into a wall

Reposition the listed Spawn Points so that they don't lead to actions that a player spawning on them can't react to quickly enough.

2. Sandbox

Some sandbox spawners have non-standard Item Selection Properties:

Weapon Rack 2 Class set to "Any". Symmetrical Channel set to "None" or is different from the other team's counterpart.
Weapon Rack 3 Class set to "Any". Symmetrical Channel set to "None" or is different from the other team's counterpart.
Weapon Rack 6 Class set to "Any". Symmetrical Channel set to "None" or is different from the other team's counterpart.
Weapon Rack 7 Class set to "Any". Symmetrical Channel set to "None" or is different from the other team's counterpart.
Weapon Rack 8 Class set to "Any". Symmetrical Channel set to "None" or is different from the other team's counterpart.
Weapon Rack 9 Class set to "Any". Symmetrical Channel set to "None" or is different from the other team's counterpart.
Weapon Pad Class set to "Any"
Weapon Pad 1 Class set to "Any"
Weapon Pad 2 Class set to "Any"

Adjust the Item Selection properties to be inline with set standards.

The Class/Tier should be some other value than "Any" as it doesn't have a functional "343 Default" Spawn Property mapping. The standard is to use the same Class that the Weapon in the Static Item Selection belongs to. The Weapon in the Static Selection can be different from the Class it belongs to if it is intended for that weapon to spawn only in Ranked modes, which force the Static Selection to "Enabled". In a situation where the Static Selection is "Enabled", the Weapon class is determined by the static Weapon set in the spawner.
The Symmetrical Channel should be set to Alpha for each sandbox spawner that relies on a Class-based item pool and has a symmetrical counterpart for it. If the same Class of item shows up more than once per side, a different Symmetrical Channel should be used for each of them. For items with Static Selection "Enabled", the Symmetrical Channel should be set to "None" to provide more randomness in Fiesta modes.

Some sandbox spawners have non-standard Spawn Properties:

Weapon Rack 2 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Weapon Rack 3 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Weapon Rack 6 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Weapon Rack 7 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Weapon Rack 8 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Weapon Rack 9 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Equipment Dispenser 1 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Equipment Dispenser 3 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Equipment Dispenser 4 Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Power Equipment Pad Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Weapon Pad Spawn Properties set to "Custom"
Weapon Pad 1 Spawn Properties set to "Custom" and Spawn Properties other than Spawn Time deviate from the 343 Default standard.
Weapon Pad 2 Spawn Properties set to "Custom" and Spawn Properties other than Spawn Time deviate from the 343 Default standard.

Adjust the Spawn Properties to be inline with set standards.

The Spawn Properties should be "343 Default" as it is the standard used in built-in maps and it allows for the spawner logic to change depending on the gamemode.

A value of "Custom" is allowed if it is used only to be able to change the Spawn Time of a spawner holding a Power Weapon or Power Equipment while replicating the rest of the properties that the Spawn Properties "343 Default" would result in.

A value of "Custom" is allowed in Ranked-only sandbox spawners where the property is used to only adjust certain Spawn Logic, Ammo Multiplier/Charge Multiplier or Spawn Time values of the item while replicating the rest of the Spawn Properties that would occur with the value of "343 Default".

A value of "Custom" is allowed on Equipment Pods and Weapon Pods if they are setup as BTB Ordnance Pods.

A high Initial Spawn Delay on an item may confuse players as the item only shows up for the first time a while into the match. The highest suggested Initial Spawn Delay is "30.00".

Some sandbox spawners do not have a Ranked variant with Ranked-specific properties:

Equipment Dispenser 4 Shroud Screen

Add a Ranked variant for each of the listed sandbox spawners. Remember to put the Label "Ranked Exclude" on the non-Ranked variants of the sandbox spawners that require a Ranked variant.

Rocket Launcher = Label: "Ranked Include", Spawn Properties: "Custom", Ammo Multiplier: "50%", Spawn Logic: Static (Time), Spawn Time: User Defined, default is "120.00", Max Deployed: "0.00"
Drop Wall, Shroud Screen, Threat Seeker = Label: "Ranked Include", Spawn Properties: "Custom", Charge Multiplier: "50%", Spawn Logic: Dynamic (Pickup), Spawn Time: "60.00", Max Deployed: "0.00"

Some Fusion Coils are not excluded in Ranked modes:

Fusion Coil Kinetic

Add the label "Ranked Exclude" to the listed Fusion Coils.

Some Fusion Coils have the the wrong Physics value:

Fusion Coil Kinetic Physics set to "Phased"

Adjust the Physics of the listed Fusion Coils to "Normal".

The Physics must be set to "Normal" to allow the object to be interacted with before it being picked up.

Some sandbox spawners are too low in elevation:

Weapon Pad
Weapon Rack 6
Weapon Rack 7

Fix the elevation on the listed objects so they are either correctly on the ground or at a standard height on the wall.

Weapon Racks should be 5.15 units up from the ground level.

Sandbox spawners positioned at a correct height

Some Weapon Racks are sticking out too much from geometry:

Weapon Rack 3

Fix the depth on the listed Weapon Racks so that they don't stick out of the wall and block movement nor look visually distracting.

Weapon Racks should be just far enough out of the wall so the metal back plate inside the object does not intersect the wall.

Close-up shot of a Weapon Rack merged too deep in the wall

Close-up shot of a Weapon Rack at a correct depth in the wall

Some Weapon Racks are merged too deep in geometry:

Weapon Rack 2
Weapon Rack 6
Weapon Rack 7
Weapon Rack 8
Weapon Rack 9

Fix the depth on the listed Weapon Racks so that the back plate of the Weapon Rack doesn't get merged in geometry when a Weapon is taken from it.

Weapon Racks should be just far enough out of the wall so the metal back plate inside the object does not intersect the wall.

3. Gamemodes

Some Capture Zones are missing Zone Capture Plate objects:

KOTH Capture Zone 5

Add a Zone Capture Plate inside the boundary of each listed Capture Zone. Add the correct Labels to the Zone Capture Plate.

Strongholds = "Strongholds Include", "Strongholds Plate"
King of the Hill = "KOTH Include", "King of the Hill Plate"
Land Grab = "Land Grab Include", "Land Grab AI Plate"

Some KOTH Capture Zones have portions of the hill boundary that allow the castle pattern on the bottom of the hill to show higher or lower than ideal. This could be either the hill being too high off or low in the ground or there being parts where the bottom part of the hill boundary is extended to meet the ground level, causing the pattern to extend downwards:

KOTH Capture Zone 2
KOTH Capture Zone 3
KOTH Capture Zone 4

Adjust the origin point of the KOTH Capture Zones to be level with the lowest point that the boundary reaches so the pattern won't block line-of-sight as much or be hidden.

Image of a KOTH boundary floating off the ground

Image of a KOTH boundary level with the ground

Some gamemode objects are too high in elevation:

Power Seed Spawn 1
Power Seed Spawn 2
Power Seed Spawn 3
Power Seed Spawn 4
Power Seed Spawn 5

Fix the elevation on the listed objects so they are positioned correctly on the ground.

Gamemode objects positioned at the correct height

4. Nav Mesh

Some areas of the map have fragmented Nav Mesh data so bots either will take longer than usual or cannot traverse through them at all:

Position: 88, 62, 782 Caused by decal object. Set to No Collision physics or hide.
Position: 18, 117, 764 Multiple similar around the same area.
Position: 202, 48, 799
Position: 174, 64, 807
Position: 133, -18, 808
Position: -166, 53, 799
Position: -112, 97, 816
Position: -90, 175, 802
Position: -49, 150, 797
Position: 47, 216, 795
Position: 14, 31, 775
Position: 136, 78, 816

Adjust the Nav Mesh data in the listed positions to allow bots to traverse through them smoothly.

Some useful areas of the map are inaccessible by bots due to a missing Nav helper:

Position: 13, -45, 808 Bot Jump Hint Two Way
Position: -15, 105, 796 Bot Movement One Way, to lower area
Position: -39, 106, 796 Bot Movement One Way, to lower area

Add Nav helpers to the listed areas so that bots can traverse to them.

No Bot Nav Markers set up for exploration purposes so Bots will just run around in select locations of the map in a janky fashion if there are no ambitions like sandbox item spawns, gamemode objectives or enemy players nearby that interest them.

Add Bot Nav Markers on the map to make Bots traverse between them if nothing else interests them.

Place Bot Nav Markers in highlight areas of your map, set their Behavior to "Explore" and connect them together by adding other Bot Nav Markers as Neighbors to each Bot Nav Marker.
It's a good idea to name each Bot Nav Marker uniquely so it's easier to distinguish them when choosing Neighbors.

Some lifts or launchers do not have pathfinding support for Bots to use them:

Kinetic Launcher Forerunner

Add a Bot Movement One Way Nav helper connecting the entry point of the lift/launcher to the intended landing spot. Rebuild Nav Mesh afterwards.

The Length-value of the Nav helper should be set to "1.00" and positioned width-wise in the middle of the lift/launcher path so that Bots will use it accurately from the middle.

A Bot Movement One Way Nav helper setup correctly for Bots to be able to use a launcher

A Bot Movement One Way Nav helper setup correctly for Bots to be able to use a lift

5. Lighting

No issues found!

6. Misc. setup

There are no Named Location Volumes present on the map.

Add Named Location Volumes to the map.

The reverb type on the map doesn't correlate to the map geometry in the majority of areas:

Suggested to change the Reverb from Exterior Open to Interior Large

Adjust the Reverb type in the Map Options tab.